What's wrong with this picture?
- pgmoni (2769)
- [2005-03-21 4:47]
Wee, I'll leave it to better photographers that I am to discuss the technical details, but I, for one, would not expect to do better at that distance/cropping ratio on a 1/60 shutter speed. Your hand would have had to be very steady indeed. As you say, it is unlikely to be focus, because there is nothing really sharp, either in front or at the back of your subject.
Yet the picture has a certain charm of its own, AND your note is very interesting to us the community of learning beginners. I think posting a less-than-perfect picture to initiate such a discussion deserves points ;>)
What were the weather conditions on the day? This would have some impact on the image. I am sure getting closer would have been a help, but we all know what usually happens, the subject takes off! I have never used this lens, but have to wonder if it is just simply wrong for this type of photography. I would suggest adding some contrast, cropping tighter so the wee bird is not so lost in the image, running through a 'noise' adjustment program or a Photoshop action and using unsharp mask. My suggestion for what it is worth, get a better lens. I actually like the image and have posted a workshop. I don't know if this has been any help at all, but keep trying.
- LordPotty (12503)
- [2005-03-21 5:44]
I dont know much about lenses,but I use a Panasonic Lumix digital camera,with autofocus.It is only a 2 megapixel camera and has a 12x optical zoom.
This is about the same quality I would get if I were using the zoom (the digital zoom takes it up to 36x but I don't use it at all).It looks as though the day was overcast yet quite bright...not bad conditions,but sometimes there is still a little glare.
A little PP is often necessary with shots like this,I usually use gamma correction (in Irfanview),increase colour saturation a little,and sharpen.
I don't know what else to suggest.I'm really a beginner myself.Perhaps hold off buying a new lens until you find out a bit more about using the one you have.You may not need to.
- ellis49 (2254)
- [2005-03-21 7:13]
My advice for you.
1. As I always say, use shutterspeed long as you lens , all to avoide camera shakings, 50mm at 1/60 sec, 300mm at 1/300 sec.and so on.
2. Get to know your subject and they let you came closer.
3. If you will shot birds, 200mm is to short, but to 70-200 L is the best lens of that you mention. Look for Sigma or Tamron lenses. I shot most my picture with a Sigma 100-300/4 EX HSM and I use a 1,4 X converter with good results. 300mm * 1,6 crop * 1,4 converter = 672 mm tele
4. Set the parameters to 0 and do the PP afterwards in the computer.
The picture is little centred, need more contrast and it is little soft. But I think its the best you can you with the kit-lens.
- Fisher (8915)
- [2005-03-21 7:33]
Auto white balance is not the setting to use, set it manualy.
What AF mode were you using? Sometimes the lens likes to play when focusing. If that happens, set the lens to manual and manualy focus your subject.
If you are able to, shoot RAW, your Canon program will turn it to Tiff, or if you have photoshop CS, the plugin if you have it will read your Raw file.
In the working world there is a saying, "It's not the machine that is the problem, it's the opperator."
Don't blame the lens, it's not the one to use unless you are closeup.
Save your change, wait, when the time comes, purchase 100-400 IS, or Sigma F2.8 120-300mm.
I speak with experience using the EOS Elan SLR, as I donot use a DSLR yet.
- CaptiveLight (969)
- [2005-03-21 8:50]
The Canon 18 - 55 kit lens seems to be quite well known for it's soft results at larger apertures, I've seens comments on many other forums about it. Having said that, this looks like camera shake to me. I would suggest using a tripod taking similar shots to this, focus on the post and use the timer to trip the shutter at different apertures and speeds. Then try the same using hand held and see if their is a difference. At least with the tripod shots you will get a good idea of what your lens is capable of.
- JeanMichel (2864)
- [2005-03-21 16:08]
First, let me thank you for opening with your post an interesting thread about lenses. Posting shots whith problems and an interrogation is always useful. I'm not an expert, but all what has been said above really makes sense. It seems that none of the required conditions to make a successful shot was present, to start with the lens (not adapted here), up to the overcast day, reducing contrast on colors and contours. With such a good camera you have, a decent medium to long focal zoom is a must for birding. I also take as a rule that a lens costing twice the price of the box is a good average in that case. According to the brand (Sigma or Tamron against the genuine Canon lens), this ratio might change a lot. So, IMO, a good way to make a decision is by looking at pictures taken by these brands similar lenses at same focal distance. Comparative reports will help you afterwards to confirm your impressions. BTW, nice robin!
Canon 70-200 F4L is the one from what I read . I use a cheaper lens with limited results . One thing you can do a shoot in the action mode with a fast shutter speed and that will make the photograph sharper . Did you focus correctly I wonder ? Keep shooting , I am having the same problem to a limited degree . Jim
- jchemas (3396)
- [2006-01-03 20:24]
The picture is an excellent picture, but the lens didn't help in many ways
Regard and good shooting
Your shutter is way to slow mate get it up to 1/500th or faster if you can.
Look at the sigma 70-300 APO lens if you want a good 'cheap' lens its about 180 quid, the sigma 150-500 is an excellent lens too but I use the 100-400L IS USM on my 400D and 30D bodies but its selling for about 1300 quid just now so aint a cheap option.
Check out my images to see the sigma 70-300's performance.
What ISO were you using as your EXIF doesn't tell us?