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Copyright: Bayram Gocmen (boreocypriensis) Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 6774 W: 207 N: 2989] (9571)
Genre: Animals
Medium: Color
Date Taken: 2009-04-30
Categories: Reptiles
Camera: Nikon D-80, AF-S VR Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/2.8G IF-ED, @ ISO 640, SIGMA 62MM EX DG MC UV Filter
Exposure: f/18.0, 1/320 seconds
Photo Version: Original Version
Theme(s): Superb Macros, Syrian Herpetofauna, Alex99 favorite pics, Turkish Herpetofauna, Herpetofauna of the Middle East, Herpetofauna of Cyprus, Unique pov, Fauna of Cyprus island [view contributor(s)]
Date Submitted: 2010-12-08 16:51
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Points: 120
[Note Guidelines] Photographer's Note
According to me, TN has completely lost its unique way regarding the “learning nature with photography” and it has been transformed into “learning about photography through nature” thanks to some internet trolls who accept themselves as “excellent” trainers”. Even worse, it has turned into a site where some people (I strictly exclude those valuable members) get their egos pumped up and behave rude to some other members.

In this way, I am really bored such kind of activities which do not fit within mine and therefore I am leaving this site until refining such kind of activities from TN and becoming again a site “to learn about nature”.. During that time, I’ll only try to make comments on very interesting and remarkable presentations and to help on ids to real nature lovers…

I do apologize from other members who have natural intimacy and instincts.

As a last post I am presenting a portrait of a male Levant/Blunt-nosed Viper (Macrovipera lebetina) which I captured during our herpetological trips to SE Anatolia (Suruç, Şanlıurfa) in 2009. It is the most venomous/dangerous species of Turkey and Cyprus Island.

TFL and cheers,


This viper species is a large snake, with females reaching 214 cm in length and males growing to a similar size. However, sizes vary between different populations. Its range includes Cyprus Island (represented by nominate subspecies), Turkey (S and E Anatolia) [ssp. euphratica known from S, whereas in Eastern parts ssp. obtusa is distributed], Syria, N. Iraq, Jordan and Middle Asia with a vertical distribution to 2000 m.

The head is broad, triangular and distinct from the neck. The snout is rounded and blunt when viewed from above, which is why it is also called the blunt-nosed viper. Top of the head covered with small, keeled scales, including over the eyes. Pupils are vertical. Its venom may be dangerous to man, or fatal if not treated, but does not strike if not disturbed.

This species is a ground-dweller, diurnal in colder periods, nocturnal in the hottest periods. Often it is encountered on roads during the night time in summer. It is seen frequently in flat meadows or pastures without trees and rocky places, ruins, cultivated fields and gardens. It feeds mainly on rodents, other small mammals, birds, lizards and occasionally even other snakes. It is rather shy, but ready to bite if cornered. When disturbed, it starts the typical body coils are arranged in a double crescent, with the concave side including “S”-curved neck and ready-to-strike head turned towards the enemy. Due to the effectiveness and large volume of the venom, it is the most dangerous snake of Turkey and Cyprus Island. In both Turkey and Cyprus Island, its abundance is extremely low. Therefore, it is evident that it is endangered and needs protection like all other viper species.

During a laboratory work for determining taxonomical and venom protein differences between the Turkish and Cypriot populations of the species, I was bitten from my finger accidentally by an adult, 75 cm long blunt-nosed viper. Taking advantage of this opportunity, we’ve conducted a study to present the clinical, physiological, serological and biochemical developments after envenomating. You can reach detailed information on this visiting the related paper on my web site.


1. Göçmen, B. (Unpub. results). The results of herpetological trips.
2. Göçmen, B., Tok, C. V., Kaya, U. & Tosunoglu, M. (1996).A Preliminary Report On the Herpetofauna of Northern Cyprus. Turk. J. Zoology, 20 (suppl.): 161-176.
3. Göçmen, B., Arikan, H., Mermer, A., Langerwerf, B. & Bahar, H. (2006). Morphological, Hemipenial and Venom Electrophoresis Comparisons of Levantine Viper, Macrovipera lebetina (Linnaeus, 1758) from Cyprus and Southern Anatolia. Turkish Journal of Zoology, 30 (2): 225-234.
4. Göçmen, B., Arikan, H., Özbel, Y., Mermer, A. & Çiçek, K. (2006). Clinical, physiological and serological observations on human folowing Macrovipera lebetina lebetina envenomating. Türkiye Parazitoloji Dergisi (Acta Parasitologica Turcica), 30 (2): 158-162.
5. Göçmen, B., Kasot, N., Yildiz, M.Z., Sas, I., Akman, B., Yalçinkaya, D. & Gücel, S. (2008). Results of the Herpetological Trips to Northern Cyprus. North-Western Journal of Zoology, 4 (1): 139-149.
6. Göçmen, B., Atatür, M. K., Budak, A., Bahar, H., Yildiz, M. Z., Alpagut-Keskin, N. (2008). Taxonomic notes on the snakes of Northern Cyprus, with observations on their morphologies and ecologies. Animal Biology, 59 (1): 1-30
7. Budak, A. & Göçmen, B. (2005). Herpetology. Ege Üniversitesi Fen Fakültesi Kitaplar Serisi, No. 194, Ege Üniversitesi Basimevi, Bornova-Izmir, 226 pp. [2nd Edition, 2008].
8. Atatür, M. K & Göçmen, B. (2001). Amphibians and Reptiles of Northern Cyprus (1st Edition), Ege Üniversitesi, Fen Fakültesi Kitaplar Serisi, No. 170, Ege Üniversitesi Basimevi, Bornova-Izmir, 63 pp (ISBN 975-483-486-5) [In Turkish & English]. [A PDF-Printable Version is present in my web site].
9. Disi, A. M., Modry, D., Necas, P. & Rifai, L. (2001). Amphibians and Reptiles of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. Edition Chimaira, 408 pp.
10. Arikan, H., Göçmen, B., Mermer, A. & Bahar, H. (2005). An electrophoretic
comparison of the venoms of a colubrid and various viperid snakes from Turkey and
Cyprus, with some taxonomic and phylogenetic implications. Zootaxa, 1038: 1-10.
11. Arikan, H., G., Göçmen, B., Kumlutas, Y., Alpagut-Keskin, N., Ilgaz, Ç. & Yildiz, M. Z. (2008). Electrophoretic characterisation of the venom samples obtained from various Anatolian snakes (Serpentes: Colubridae, Viperidae, Elapidae). North-Western Journal of Zoology, 4 (1): 16-28.
12. Franzen, M., Bußmann, M., Kordges, T. & Thiesmeier, B. (2008). Die Amphibien und Reptilien der Südwest-Turkei. Supplement der Zeitschrift für Feldherpetologie 14, Laurenti Verlag, Bielefeld, Germany, 328pp.

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Hello dear friend,
What a fantastic viper! You came so close of this handsome with mysterious eyes. Thanks to his bifurcated tongue, snakes are able to find their way through the direction of smells. The bifurcated tongue of this handsome viper tells you to remain faithful to your convictions... I share your way. Congratulations and take care. Good night,

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  • MMM Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 1114 W: 0 N: 2546] (11425)
  • [2010-12-08 18:30]
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Hi Bayram
That is an excellent portrait of that viper great detail with excellent sharpness.I was now plannin to get back to tn but if master like you live I do not see the point anymore ,I will have to thing about it
TFS Michel

Dear Prof. Bayram,

I fully agree to your point. But don't you think human civilization and societies behave in this manner only. There will always be few people who would love to boost their egos by any means, and their will be others who don't care about their egos and selflessly spread knowledge.

I was disheartened to read the messages by you and Catherine. I will not repeat my request to Catherine here, however, please spare some time to read the link below.


This is an unrated message for you and I will not give any points to you for your last post, because I don't want this to be last post. Looking forward to keep getting your valuable discussions about nature as well as your photographs.

Best regards,

Hola Bayram

Vaya imagen más buena de esta serpiente, parece hecha de piedra, con ese ojo del mismo color y esa lengua negra. Una imagen fabulosa.

Un saludo de Antonio

Aw shucks. Keep on keeping on. I refuse to believe there can be a TN without your images......yes even fungi. A fine lesson plan Bayram.

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  • tuslaw Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2754 W: 282 N: 4931] (19883)
  • [2010-12-08 21:01]
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Hello Bayram,
I know that you are doing what you believe is best for you, but I can honestly say you have helped me numerous times here on TN not only with identifying species, but also with technical questions. You have never hesitated even for a second to offer help, and this I am forever grateful to you.
You are a wonderful photographer and more importantly a good friend that I have come to know here on TN. I will miss not only your outstanding images, but also your knowledge about nature and it's creatures. Good luck on whatever you decide to do in the future. Thank You Again!!

perfect portrait! greetings Ori

  • joska Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 806 W: 0 N: 4092] (22535)
  • [2010-12-08 22:41]

Szia Baratom Bayram,
Great portrait of this Blunt-nosed Viper (Macrovipera lebetina), TFS!Sorry for your decision! I have no points for today..

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  • uleko Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 3396 W: 172 N: 3310] (10940)
  • [2010-12-08 23:11]
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Hello Bayram,
Well, there are all sorts to make the world and if we leave the bossy ones to take charge what happens? This site will NEVER stay perfect for long just like the world around us. The management don't bother about the rules so let's battle on together and show that there are some of us who refuse to be trodden upon!
This is a fantastic capture of the Blunt-nosed Viper showing very sharp details in good light and colours. I take it as a present to those with a 'sharp' tongue!!
TFS and best wishes, Ulla

Thank you for your fantastic presentation today Bayram. I do not know how educational is this post but as a photograph the image is realy superb. Good point of view, good detail sharpness and composition. An amazing Viper portrait with awesome impact! Bravo.

Sorry, no points today.
George Veltchev

great portrait, the scene with the tongue outside is very good!
TFS Nasos

Günaydın Hocam,

Bir GeVezenin yüzünden yine TN faaliyetlerinizi kısıtlamışsınız. Gerçi suç TN'nin. Bunca tacizine karşı ciddi bir şey yapmadılar. İmza toplayıp attıralım bunu siteden:)) Ya da milli bir Treknature kuralım.
Yılanınıza söz yok. Muhteşem bir koca engerek portresi. Sizi ısıran Kıbrıslıydı galiba.

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  • foozi Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 2791 W: 0 N: 6696] (25839)
  • [2010-12-09 1:21]
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Merhaba MF Prof. Bayram,
may you be filled with happiness and continued commitment in sharing passion in Nature and its deep knowledge.
Indeed it is another uncomfortable news and definitely a sad one, as sharing from a learned is not easy. To be honest I share direct and indirect information and knowledge from you more than the local expertise here.
Asking and getting information from your note saves lots of time. Going through tonnes of info is simply too heavy to shoulder. In this sense I must say your contribution is so much here in TN.
Almost every post is useful and friends award you a smiley - 2 points is nothing compared to the photo and elaboration.
Sometimes an amateur like me, have to spend a lot of time for this unpaid passion. But happiness being with friends exchanging view and knowledge gives some fun.
But the fact situation crosses the path of your principles, I feel so sad.
I share your feelings, but I hope you can still contribute still.
Hope everything will be okay.
All the best to you and i will remember the good deeds you did.

Best regards,

Hello my friend Bayram. I think you should continue and post your pictures for us to share and at the same time continue helping out with the IDs. We need professional people who are expert in their own field. TH attracted me to learn more about nature which I admit, I knew very little before joining the site. I always admire people here who has tons of knowledge who can assist me with valuable information through this site. I am now more conscious with what goes on around me than before and thanks to the ability to guide from people like you. We can't control people as we will lose control of yourself if we do. We just accept their strength and weaknesses as what we do with people around us - that is part of being human. I hope you will stay and keep coming to help me with the ID - like my upload today. I have absolutely no idea of the specimen that I have just uploaded.
Thanks my friend and keep shooting and sharing.
This is a great shot!
Kind regards - Jusni

Muhteşem bir fotoğraf hocam. Bir fotoğrafta detaylar ancak bu kadar net görülebilir. Bu fotoğrafı çektiğiniz günü hatılıyorumda o yorucu arazi gününde bile sabırla bu pozu beklediniz ve gerçektende emeğinize değmiş. Elinize ve emeğinize sağlık. Bu arada şunuda belirtmeden geçemeyeceğim, bilimsel metin çok yararlı olmuş herkesin faydalanabilceği bilgiler içeriyor. bu işin eğitimsel yönünü beğenmeyen arkadaş kendisini biliyor demekki sadece fotoğrafa yorum yapıp eğitimsel yönden faydalı olmadığını belirtmiş. Size sonuna kadar hak veriyor ve kararınıza saygı duyuyorum hocam elinize ve emeğinize sağlık.

Merhaba Bayram
> O foto da çok güzeldi. Bize henüz bırakmayın
> Selamlar

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  • Argus Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 5038 W: 260 N: 15594] (50626)
  • [2010-12-09 2:40]
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Hello Bayram,
It is up to us who love nature to stay on this site and help others to love it too!
Those who want to be volcanoes on TN with soon stop their erruptions and either leave or participate to enjoy images and descriptions of nature.
Your expertise, as shown by this fine posting of this Levant Viper, is much needed and it would a great pity if you leave.
So I speak for those like me who love nature: please stay dostum!
With kind regards,

Ciao BBB. An outstanding detailed and sharpened portrait! Impressive DOF and superb light.


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  • KOMSIS Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 820 W: 0 N: 2419] (10674)
  • [2010-12-09 5:33]

Bayram bey selamlar,
Son derece güzel seçilmiş bir, Koca Engerek portresi .!
Bu sitede, gıpta edilecek sayıda, arkadaşınız-seveniniz varken; ...

Merhaba Hocam,
Detayları ve Kalitesiyle yine muhteşem bir fotoğraf sunmuşsunuz bize. elinize ve emeğinize sağlık ve tabikide sabrınız için kutluyorum hocam. Arazi sırasında bu fotoğraf için baya sabretiştiniz emeğinize değmiş vallahi. Deniz'e de katılmamak da elde değil, vermiş olduğunuz bilgiler bizler için çok değerli ama bunun değerini bilmeyen arkadaşlar var. vermiş olduğunuz karar için size hak veriyor ve saygı duyuyorum hocam elinize emeğinize sağlık tekrardan.

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  • nagraj Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1618 W: 106 N: 3208] (15166)
  • [2010-12-09 6:13]

Hi Bayram,
Already many expressed the views in a better way than I would have done, stay back.
I wonder how can you get so close to these deadly and best predators, they look sinister though they are more in danger than us. well done. tfs.

hello Bayram
super Macro with great details and super sharpness
the light and colours are super good
greeting lou

Merhaba Bayram hocam,
mükemmel bir çekim büyük bir sabırla çekilmiş her halinden belli emeklerinize sağlık..
TN de sevilen bir kişisiniz ,çekemeyenler düşünsün siz kalmalısınız ..
Selamlar Saygılar.

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  • albert Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 421 W: 12 N: 670] (2971)
  • [2010-12-09 6:37]
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Hello Bayram
Whaaaa! a viper's head with a 105mm lense !
As usual a great and sharp photo, interesting note too.
Kind regards
PS: I agree with you "Nature" is not the main task of TN any longer and for photography they are better interesting sites !

  • paolo49 Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 366 W: 63 N: 888] (6200)
  • [2010-12-09 8:13]

Hello Bayram another fantastic image, light, colors and details very beautiful. Another nice picture. Best regards, Paolo

Hello Bayram,
What a great courage to take a photo face to face with this interesting but dangerous snake. (with your macro lens)
Clarity, details and composition are splendid.
I was looking for snakes near Timis River (15 km away from Timisoara, Romania) but I see only one snake (probably water snake).
He was runing away so quickly that I can't take pictures.
I will try next year......Have a nice evening!

Hi Bayram,
this is a "frightening" photo. Very interesting tongue! Great sharpness and composition. Amazing light,
P.S. Thanks for Your critiques

Hi Bayram

An incredible contribution: a viper reaching 2,14 metres!! distribution up to 2,000 metre!!
No more sleeping in Sleeping Bags outdoors!!

You are a cool customer "...was bitten from my finger accidentally by an adult, 75 cm long blunt-nosed viper. Taking advantage of this opportunity, we’ve conducted a study to present the clinical..."

The educational value of your presentation is exceptional.

It is very sad to envisage you stop to show TrekNature members samples from your field work and your far ranging knowledge.

I have looked through your portfolio and without any doubt TrekNature will be poorer without your contributions and the members lose out.

The international scientific community recognises your vast experience, and your reputation reaches far.



hallo MF Bayram,
fantastic portrait of this snake;
we are weak men and this "play" is all cant; what and how much hypocrisy? what and how much flattery? we can not Know it and say it. Who can be a good judge?
I am very sorry for your resolution
Thanks for your fantastic gallery
Ciao Maurizio

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  • PeterZ Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 5137 W: 166 N: 13121] (49139)
  • [2010-12-09 11:36]

Hello Bayram,
I'm sorry to hear about your decision. We shall miss fantastic photos like this one. You are/were a great teacher. The only thing I can say is: Please stay!
Kind regards,

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  • siggi Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 3097 W: 109 N: 12399] (52850)
  • [2010-12-09 13:08]

Hello MF Bayram.
Brilliant composition and colors.Background very nicely defocused.
The daily one meet with you on TN to me here will be missing. I hope for we see again.Best regards Siggi

hello my friend Bayram

je vais commencer en français, Bayram l'ami j'ai
toujours était en admiration envers toi pour tous
ce temps que tu mettais a écrire tes notes,
personellement moi je ne met qu'une partie
des notes alors que toi, tu mettais tous les notes

je suis en admiration pour cela et il faut aimer
sur la nature et aussi aimer a vouloir nous
apprendre sur la nature pour mettre autant
de temps que tu faisais avec tes notes,
tes connaissances sur la nature et je dois
également dire tes superbes photographies
vont nous manquer beaucoup beaucoup chez TN

this is a great portrait photo Bayram,
shot at the best moment, superbly focused
with great sharpness and details,
let me Bayram copy from the text of Bob
« I refuse to believe there can be a TN without your images »



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  • cirano Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 997 W: 0 N: 944] (13609)
  • [2010-12-09 13:46]

Dostum gidersen bize büyük haksızlık etmiş olursun.Hem değerli,yol gösterici ve kimi zaman eğlendirici yorumlarından,hem id konularındaki yardımlarından hem de güzel ve notlarla zenginleştirilmiş aydınlatıcı fotoğraflarından bizi mahrum etmiş olursun.Site adına aslında büyük bir zenginliksin.Keşke yeniden düşünsen ve kararını değiştirsen...
Fotoğrafa diyecek bir şey yok.Mükemmel!...
Kendine çok iyi bak.
Bi slavên germ,

Selamlar sayın hocam,
Harkulade güzel ve çok şahane bir kare.
Ben sizin sayenizde sürüngen ve amfibiler hakkında çok şey öğrendim.
Yine sizin sayenizde bu canlıları çoooook sevdim.
ben çok üzülüyorum.

  • lousat Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 6595 W: 89 N: 15659] (65489)
  • [2010-12-09 15:53]

Each has its own character and I think we must bear with each other, if we are always fighting over some stupid things how can we expect that there will be peace in the world even when we know an example?

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  • Adanac Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 1273 W: 1 N: 6188] (21378)
  • [2010-12-09 19:28]
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Hello Bayram,
Well My Friend, I do understand your reasons completely, between losing you and Catherine this site has become very much poorer for it. All you have to do is read the many comments from members wanting you to stay, to see how much you'll be missed. I do fear for a mass exodus.
Great image Bayram, a cat's eye like it lie, is that not the saying.

Günaydın Bayram hocam. Facebookda da okudum üzüldüm. Sanal ortamı fazla ciddiye almamak lazım. Emekleriniz ve fotolarınızın kalitesi tartışılmaz. Hem de risk alarak yapılan işler bunlar. Emeklerinize sağlık. Veda etmiyorum. Tekrar geleceğinizi umuyorum.

I have only one thing to say
Cypriots never give up. Compatriot stay
Your photo as usually is great.
Probably this was not the reason for your decision but I have a comment
“Learning nature with photography” or “Learning about photography through nature” I have no problem for neither because both mean love for nature and for me this is great.

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  • zulfu Gold Star Critiquer [C: 685 W: 0 N: 2] (43)
  • [2010-12-10 3:24]

Bizim urfalıdan muhteşem bir çekim olmuş hocam. Bundan daha iyisini görebileceğimi de sanmam. Çelişkili yorumları ile, kişilere hakaretle bu sitenin birşey kazanmayacağı açık. Prensiplerinden asla ödün vermeyen sayın hocam saygılarımı sunuyorum.

Ciao Bayram, TN without you?
No, I hope you return here my friend, thanks for all your splendid photo and for this fantastic portrait, beautiful viper with fantastic eye, fine details, splendid light, great colors and excellent sharpness, very well done, bravo amico mio, ciao Silvio

Bayram hocam muhteşem bir portre ile veda etmişsiniz. Sıkıntınızı çok iyi anlıyor ve hak veriyorum. Emekleriniz için çok teşekkürler Sayın hocam. Saygılarımla,

Dear Bayram,
This is an outstanding photo of Macrovipera lebetina!
I respect your decision; however I would be very happy to see your photographs again.
All the best,

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  • eng55 Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1256 W: 42 N: 1976] (5892)
  • [2010-12-13 9:14]

Merhaba Dostum,
Tn e uzun zaman giremedim,sitede herhalde sorun vardı.Fotografın her zamanki gibi mükemmel kalitede.Zehirli bir yılanı makro lensle çekebilmek hem bilgi hem de yürek gerektirir ki ,sende ikisi de fazlasıyla mevcut.Her türlü taciz ve olumsuzluğa rağmen siteyi bırakmanı hiç istemem,bu tüm TN üyeleri için büyük kayıp olur.Evet Tn in esas amacından saptığı kesin ama,üye olan,olmayan bir çok kişinin de hem fotografları izlediğini hem de notları okuduğunu düşünüyorum.Umarım bir müddet sonra tekrar yüklemeye başlarsın.

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  • y_emys (4)
  • [2010-12-13 11:56]
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Hocam merhabalar,
Yine bir yakışıklıyı çok güzel yakalamış ve sunmuşsunuz.
Gündüz gözüyle nasip olmadı bir engerek göremedik gitti...

Aynen Ömer Bey'in dediği gibi yerli bir Trek şart hocam.
Bu işi de ancak siz halledersiniz.
Yardıma da hazırız hocam.

Hello little bro,

this are an great image in brown colortones.
Exellent timimg with the tongue, pov and sharpness.
Very nice dof.
Fine colors.


Hi Bayram, this is a fantastic photo!!! According to what i know the eyes show the nocturnal habit of the species and i suppose the photo was shot in daytime, isn't it? The species venom is hemotoxic and neurotoxic and your publication is very interesting. I hope this will not be the "Goodbye" photo!!!!

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  • jignasi Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 2118 W: 0 N: 3424] (27917)
  • [2010-12-14 1:29]
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Hola Bayram:

entiendo tu postura aunque no la comparto.

Con tu posicionamiento creo que favoreces más a esas personas que comentas y no a los que te admiramos, por lo que creo que tu postura es equivocada.

Piensa en la consecuencia:

TN pierde a un miembro destacado.
Muchos de nosotros perdemos un amigo, al menos para compartir.
Nuevos usuarios no pueden aprender de tu trabajo.

Ya te dije una vez que no des importancia a esas voces que solo miran su ego
y basa tu atención en lo esencial: la naturaleza.

Finalmente es tu decisión que respeto.

Un abrazo: Josep Ignasi.

- por cierto, la fotografía que nos muestras en tu línea: preciosa.


Hello Bayram:

I understand your position but do not share.

I think your position is more favorable to those people you mention and not to those who admire you, so I think your position is wrong.

Think of the consequence:

TN lost a prominent member.
Many of us lose a friend, at least to share.
New users can learn from your work.

I told you once do not give importance to these voices that just look at your ego
and basa your attention on the essential: the nature.

Finally, it is your decision which I respect.

A hug: Josep Ignasi.

- Indeed, the picture you show us your line: beautiful.

Kimisi tereciye tere satar, kimisi egolarını pazarlar sayın hocam. Kararınıza saygı duyuyorum ama bence teknik kalitesi tartışılmayacak kadar güzel fotolarınızı ve bilgilerinizi sadece Treknature'da bulunanlarla paylaşmadığınızı, dışardan pek çok kişi ilede payalaştınızı unutmayarak inadına doğa adına yüklemeye devam etmelisiniz. Bilimsel popüler dergi yayını gibi tüm çalışmalarınızı izlemekten, sizden ders almış olmaktan gurur duydum ve duyacağım. Bence yola devam sayın hocam.

Dear Uncle Bayram,

I respectfully understand and agree with you 100%. People are selfish in general and some are not aware of there own consciousness. Self awareness, and respect other people are slowly fading away because of the influence of monetary economics and capitalist system we live in. Your unique work, and name will always be appreciated by the true nature lovers and will always remain that way. I deepdown know how hard you work for the benefits of PEOPLE and the NATURE. One advice to you..Just return back to TrekNature, igonore peoples with no Egos. YOU ARE NEEDED HERE........all the best..

Your cousin

M. Gocmen

Very good detail & DOF, great timing Bayram..
Like that shadow cast and 3D look too :)
Well done!

merhaba Bayram
you are right with all that you wright in your note, but it's only pity that the best photographer's like you, are going from TN, so it's cannot be better, you are an example for all TN members
this is another perfect shot from you,i hope it's not the last and you come back on TN one day
thanks for all your superb images and interesting notes

Hi Bayram,

good words of a good man. Your snake head-on is an excellent reminder of what you are saying. Let us see what the New Year brings.

My best wishes to the holiday season.

Bayram bey merhabalar,oğlum fotoğrafı görünce ne kadar super olduğunu fakat bakalım "ne kadar uzaktan çekti" diye yorum yaptı.kullandığın lensi(macro) okuyunca inanamadık.Biz fotoğrafını görünce ürperiyoruz,bunun macrosunu çekmek yürek ister.Tebrikler

Hi Bro,

Fantastic photo, excellent both in technicality and composition-wise. Superb sharpness and details. No more words needed, it's a masterpiece. Bravo.

I'm very sad you decided to partially leave TN. Of course I accept your decision, however, I absolutely agree with (I read all critiques in the queue) Josep Ignasi: "I think your position is more favorable to those people you mention and not to those who admire you, so I think your position is wrong". Also with Christodoulos: "Cypriots never give up". :) I truly hope to see further images of you - if not now, at least later.

Thanks for all the beautiful photos and in-depth notes you shared with us in the past years. I've learnt so much from you - both about nature and about photography. Without you and Cathy, TN looses a lot of its unique favour.

Friendly regards, László

Hello Bayram!
Dangerous point of view. Be careful.
Good cut, very good capture. Superb contrast and sharpness.
Fine natural colours.
Original photographer's note.
Well done!

Hello Bayram,
Birincisi, bütün harika fotograflar çok bilgi için tesekkür etmek istedim, sen 3 yildir bize vermistir.
Sonra ben harika is bizi mahrum olacak, hangi TrekNature uygulama degismis oldugunu pisman oldugunu söylemek istedim.
(Bu, herhalde yorum steril az agirlik tasidigi dogrudur baglamak sadece benim kim sevgili bana olanlar için).
ve sonunda onu 23,12 dogru tarih oldugunu bana öyle geliyor çünkü mutlu yillar dilemek istedim.
Bize anlatmak için tereddüt etmez kisisel web sitenizde resimleri ortaya çikarmak, ve eger bizim dosyalari sizlerin begenisine için tesekkür ederiz.
Sicak Saygilar.
google traduction

Hi Bayram, my friend

I am sorry to see you go from this site. By doing so, you have let the weirdos win. Stay and share your great talent with us. You have taught heaps my friends. Thank you for that, live long and prosper.


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  • Alex99 Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 4072 W: 133 N: 7096] (23735)
  • [2010-12-26 8:14]
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Hi Bayram.
Your shot is really stunning. It is a true masterpiece in every photography skill aspect. However, your point and reasoning are disputable. I think you too restrict the purposes and role of TN and make too rigid demands to its members.

I am a full professor many years. My salary is $ 425 per month. (This is an achievement of independent Ukraine (independent from conscience, morals, knowledge, professionalism etc.). It is absolutely not enough even for beggarly existence. I compelled to find and do any work from morning to evening and from evening to morning to keep my family and to live adequately. I cannot spend a lot of time for study Nature in many aspects. But I love nature photography, I love Nature, I love my friends here and I love to communicate with them here again. May be I am a bad TN-member. Sorry.
P.S. Happy Holiday Season and wishes to come back here.

Hello sir,

Absolutely this is a finest picture of a VIPER. TFS.
I just want to wish you a very happy new year. Hope you will return back to TN with your best pics & valuable critiques. Many of us waiting for your guidance.

Thanks & regards,

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  • valy67 Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1727 W: 59 N: 3060] (9219)
  • [2011-01-18 13:40]

Hello Bayram !
When I came back on TN after several months without Internet, I was very surprised to read that you won't post or participate anymore (or at least not regularly). I have almost admired both your work and the interesting species you were showing us. You are a very talented photographer, and we will all miss you. But I can understanf your reasons.
As for the picture, I can say just one thing - PERFECT. Pin sharp, nice natural colors, splendid composition and POV, and such a great timing, to be able to capture him with the tongue sticking out. Very well done !

Sad that this was your last shot on TN, Big Bro!
Very nicely framed close-p here!

etkileyici bir yabban hayat fotoğrafı, elinize sağlık Bayram Bey.


Muthis bir resim ve bunu cekmek yurek ister...Her yonuyle harika.. Kisiliginden ve prensiplerinden odun vermeyisin senin ne kadar yuksek karakterli oldugunu gosterir...Sadece alaninda uzman degil insanlikta da ornek bir humanistsin...Sen kaybetmedin TN kaybetti..
Sevgiler saygilar...

Hello Bayram
Wooow...talking about great details and great risks, usually when it comes to dangerous snakes, I rather not capture them because I do not know the behavior, but non the less great presentation and interesting description.
Friendly regards

çok yakın!
nefis olmuş elinize sağlık:)

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  • cako Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 485 W: 0 N: 772] (3395)
  • [2012-12-19 13:21]

Bayram hocam muhteşem bir kare bu elelrinize sağlık selamlarımla.

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