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Glencoe (1st true B&W)

Glencoe (1st true B&W)
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Copyright: Emma Taylor (Aramok) Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 896 W: 101 N: 1501] (5166)
Genre: Landscapes
Medium: Black & White
Date Taken: 2007-07-15
Camera: Canon EOS 350D, Canon EF 24-105mm F/4.0 L IS USM, Digital ISO 100
Exposure: f/8, 1/250 seconds
Details: Tripod: Yes
More Photo Info: [view]
Photo Version: Original Version, Workshop
Travelogue: Scotland July 2007
Theme(s): Rays of Light, Tips and Techniques [view contributor(s)]
Date Submitted: 2007-08-07 4:40
Viewed: 4378
Points: 17
[Note Guidelines] Photographer's Note
I have to say that I am a little apprehensive about posting this picture for a number of reasons...

1. - it is the first true B&W photo I have uploaded.
2. - the small version does not show any of the detail visible in the larger post...
3. - at the back of my mind I have this distinct feeling the I could have done better....
4. - I am having one of those days... (my husband woke me up at 5:15am this morning, I am very tired and one of my servers at work has just failed and needs a new motherboard (yet again))...so it is not working out as a very good day yet and it is only 12:00pm

Anyhow... I have decided to upload in just as a learning curve and see what you all think about it.

It was taken shortly after I had dropped Niek (SunToucher) off at his campsite and was heading back to a wild camp my husband and I were at... I was late and the view in my rear view mirror made me even later... I just had to stop... I knew where I needed to get to for the picture, I just needed the patch of light to stay long enough for me to get there...

It went after 2 shots were taken... this was the 1st and the better one which I then converted to B&W in Canon Digital Professional Pro in the white balance area.
The RAW conversion then had an orange filter applied to 1 conversion to jpeg (lower half) and a red filter applied to the 2nd conversion for the upper half of the screen, the 2 pictures were pasted as layers and a layer mask used to get the red filter version for the sky (also converted at -1EV) and the orange filter version as the land.

The light across the land around the mountain (Am Buachaille) see here, here and here) is totally natural and was as the result of a light rain shower that I had just driven through. It also incorporated a wonderful rainbow which I drove under, but the area was not good for getting a photo at that point...

I'm not entirely happy with the photo becuase there are points that seem Overexposed when converted to B&W, infact they were actually pale blue sky in the original colour RAW file...

Anyhow... hopefully I have the dimensions right for larger post which is much better in my opinion.

Also for those who know the 'view'... it is a classic and has featured in many TN galleries. But the name can vary... Buachaille Etive Mor is the name of the 'ridge' which extends to the left from the main peak... the main peak being Stob Dearg...

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Hi Emma,

light is great here! I like format and B/W choice. Wonderful landscape, TFS!


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  • PaulH Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1137 W: 26 N: 3879] (13882)
  • [2007-08-07 5:10]
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Hi Emma,
I think that without the rays streaming through the clouds this would not have worked as well as it does and also the panoramic crop lends itself nicely here too. I'm not as versed with Photoshop as you by the sounds of it, so can't explain why the OE spots in the cloud are there. Personally they don't bother me in the slightest as they contrast nicely against the darkness of Am Buachaille's famous outline.(i always though it was called Buachaille Etiv Mor btw).
I have around 10 or so shots very similar to this which i have done nothing with yet, so maybe a b & W conversion could work with them too.
This is overall a good shot with alot of mood IMO.

Hi Emma,

I'm sat here at work bobbing my head up and down looking silly, trying to get the best look of your shot on my laptop screen - I must look slightly bonkers! Anyway, the end result is I can see that your shot does actually have some lovely subtle tones and detail in it that at first I thought were just too underexposed - I think, like you say, you really need a large enlargement of this to make the most of it - the screen just doesn't do it justice.

But it is a lovely shot, no doubt there, great timing catching the sunrays like that, and the tones are ideally suited to monochrome (but then I am quite a fan of b&w!). Great post-processing work too to make the most of the sky.

If it's any consolation by the way, our work server died this morning too and wreaked allsorts of havoc, so I sympathise! Might try the veg plot idea in our garden when I get home!

TFS, Great work as ever.


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  • Heaven Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 996 W: 123 N: 2341] (7912)
  • [2007-08-07 7:18]
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Hi Emma!

I can understand that you are not so happy with your picture, although the atmosphere and the emotions it generates are simply great.

We have at least one point in common: we both hate OE, even if only a small part of the image is affected. Now I can't judge if in your particular case it is due to the b&w conversion or if the OE already had existed before. It surprises me when you say that the overexposed parts were pale blue before.

In this situation I would try the following: after the conversion, I would come back to the original and darken just a bit the very bright parts and then proceed to the conversion again. If this would not be sufficient, I would repeat the operation and so on. The advantage of that proceeding is that you don't influence on the darker parts which you would like to keep as they are.

Anyway, if we would control everything concerning taking pictures, we probably would look for another hobby...

I'm sure you will be able to correct the OE parts of your picture. And I also believe it's worth it!

Best regards

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  • Silke Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 729 W: 98 N: 1707] (5458)
  • [2007-08-07 7:59]

Quite a stunning PoV and the colours and details are wonderful indeed.
Well done conversions as well

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  • Jamesp Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 1369 W: 9 N: 6334] (18906)
  • [2007-08-07 8:23]

Hi Emma

An imposing shot - the sunburst is excellent. I have never tried to convert to B&W - you are braver than me.


Hello Emma,
I loved it!
true b/w panorama view indeed especailly the ray that through the cloud that makes it so outstanding!
good try and well seen

Hi Emma,
Finally your first go at B/W. You started of with a difficult one, since the range of contrast of the colored version isn't huge. I am no expert in B/W yet and am struggeling with it as well.
I do feel that the photo didn't come out perfectly. It is a bit flat in certain areas. Some history of layering is visable as well. The red filter made the lighter clouds too bright.

I do have a few questions on regards of the conversion. Why did you convert the photo in DPP and not in Paint Shop Pro? I am almost certain that Paint shop has the option to tweak a monochromatic photos in at least red, green and blue. DPP just tranforms it without much control.
I understand the use of the red filter but don't understand the use of an orange filter. Isn't a yellow filter a better option?

There are parts I really like about this photo. The sunrays are very beautiful. The texture in the dark clouds are pefect and teh lighter spots on Etive Mor are great as well.

I just oploaded my Loch Tulla photo. I almost converted this one to B&W. It does have a great tonal range and good contrast. You might want to try it on one of yours to see what it can do.


Your showing me how it's done Emma! Wonderful presentation in B&W. I am very partial to B&W having worked with it in publication for 4 decades.... Speaking as an editorial photographer, as opposed a Ansel Adams. I would say this was a great use of light. IOW I love it just this way....always have..always will...


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