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An Indian Summer

An Indian Summer
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Copyright: Paul Haynes (PaulH) Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1137 W: 26 N: 3879] (13882)
Genre: Landscapes
Medium: Color
Date Taken: 2008-09-21
Categories: Seascape
Camera: Canon EOS 40D, Sigma 10-20mm / F 4-5,6 DC EX HSM, UV + Circ. Polar.
Exposure: f/16, 1/60 seconds
Details: Tripod: Yes
More Photo Info: [view]
Photo Version: Original Version
Date Submitted: 2008-09-25 1:56
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Favorites: 2 [view]
Points: 32
[Note Guidelines] Photographer's Note

this was taken near to the location of my last post, Durdle Door, but in very different conditions. We have had a good few days of sunshine recently, leading to the inevitable claims we are having an 'Indian Summer'. I never really gave this phrase much thought, but had a look online and foud out the following,from Wikipedia, which i have edited and condensed here...

'Modern ideas on what an Indian summer constitutes vary, but the most widely accepted value for determining whether an Indian summer is occurring is that the weather must be above 21°C (70°F) for seven days after the autumnal equinox.

In Canada and in the Northeast part of the United States, a ground frost must have been present before the wave of warmer weather, if the period is to be considered Indian summer.

In some regions, such as the southeastern United States, Indian summer is colloquially used to describe the hottest times of the year, typically in late July or August. These, however, are more accurately known as dog days in reference to the prominence of a star during that period.

The term is also used metaphorically to refer to a late blooming of something, often unexpectedly, or after it has lost relevance. This is comparable to the use of the term renaissance in the sense of "revival", but it carries the added connotation that the revival is temporary.

The term Indian summer has been used for more than two centuries. The earliest known use was by French American writer St. John de Crevecoeur in rural New York in 1778. There are several theories as to its etymology:

In The Americans, The Colonial Experience, Daniel J. Boorstin speculates that the term originated from raids on European colonies by Indian war parties; these raids usually ended in autumn, hence the extension to summer-like weather in the fall as an Indian summer. Two of the three other known uses of the term in the 18th century are from accounts kept by two army officers leading retaliation expeditions against Indians for raids on settlers in Ohio and Indiana in 1790, and Pennsylvania in 1794.
It may be so named because this was the traditional period during which early North Americans First Nations/Native American harvested their crops.

It could be so named because the phenomenon was more common in what were then North American Indian territories, as opposed to the Eastern Seaboard.

It may be of Asian Indian origin rather than North American Indian. H. E. Ware, an English writer, noted that ships traversing the Indian Ocean loaded their cargo most often during the Indian summer, or fair weather season. Several ships actually had an "I.S." on their hull at the load level thought safe during Indian summer. However this usage refers to the actual high summer in India, not to a late warm spell.

So, the Jury's still out on a definitive meaning, but i think the various explanations are quite interesting. I wonder if any of our non British, American or Canadian friends have heard of this expression or have something similar?
Although it's grey and overcast today, it's looking great weatherwise for this weekend, so i hope to get out and make the most of it..

shot IN RAW, a tweak of curves, converted to JPEG, resized and sharpened

Thanks for looking

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Hi Paul.

Beautiful photo. Composition is extraordinary! Super strong colors and great pov. TFS! I am adding this one to favorites.

If you haven't already, come and see my gallery.


Salut Paul,

Excellent composition and lighting,colourfull picture, I love it.

Best regards, Thierry

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  • nagraj Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1618 W: 106 N: 3208] (15166)
  • [2008-09-25 4:26]

hi paul,
nice landscape here but i got interested more in your comments, it evokes some response in this Indian, let me try to understand and add (later) about this 'glorious Indian summer'. tfs.

A stunner, Paul. Great detail, like we expect from this lens. Very well composed, as we expect from you. And just the right contrast between the light and dark area, as we expect from RAW and good PP work.

P.S. My takeaway on the "Indian Summer" is that I think everyone sets the bar so they get some (a frost in common enough in Canada that we can get one in Sept. If you had to wait for one of those in coastal UK, it would probably be November, and it wouldn't fell like summer at all.) Either that, or it's just because we have very different kinds of Indians!

Excellent as usual Paul. I hope you do have this...I have spoken about it before..and your notes remind me of several old stories..this one is apt!

A film crew was on location deep in the desert. One day an old Indian went up to the director and said, "Tomorrow, rain." The next day it rained. A week later, the Indian went up to the director and said, "Tomorrow, storm." The next day there was a hailstorm.
"This Indian is incredible," said the director. He told his secretary to hire the Indian to predict the weather.

However, after several successful predictions, the old Indian didn't show up for two weeks. Finally, the director sent for him. "I have to shoot a big scene tomorrow," said the director, "and I'm depending on you. What will the weather be like?" The Indian shrugged his shoulders. "Don't know," he said. "Radio broke."

Hi Paul,

Excellent colours, lead in and line taking the eye out to the horizon. The footprints add some mystique to the image as well. Hope the Indian Summer extends through the weekend so that we can admire more images next week.



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  • nglen Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2883 W: 30 N: 9683] (36145)
  • [2008-09-25 11:47]

Hi Paul. Thanks for your email . I see you have been making the most of the weather. it looks as if the weekend is set to be fine and warm.
This is a unusual pov from behind the large rock , but i like it with the shadow. You seem to have the colour just so . well done TFS.

Excellent work due to the compo, the lighting and depth.
Nicely done 'Indian Summer', Paul.

Hi Paul

Interesting note, I've often heard the term but never given it much thought.
Great landscape and a new angle on that chalk cliff, we can just see the "door" in the distance. Excellent composition and exposure.


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  • joey Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1739 W: 224 N: 6872] (24909)
  • [2008-09-25 14:37]

G'day Paul!
An eye-catching shot of this beautiful coast-line.
I really like the seaweed covered rock in the FG.
Superb lead-in line from the shadow.
Very sharp.

Well done!

There isn't much that can match a sunny fall day no matter what you call it. The light, color and sharpness that you captured here are really nice. I hope you get more super photo opportunities this week end.

Evelynn : )

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  • gannu Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 1001 W: 4 N: 3276] (14759)
  • [2008-09-26 2:18]

Hello Paul, Superb lanscape pictre with excelent color tones and sharpness. Superb presentation. Ganesh

Hi Paul,
A nice capture of this beautiful seascape. Superb composition and lovely colors. Thanks a lot for sharing.

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  • Argus Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 5038 W: 260 N: 15594] (50626)
  • [2008-09-26 6:22]

Hello Paul,
The composition and light are the strong features of this image the exposure being superb. I like the algal growths on the shady side of the rock and they complement the vegetation on the cliff opposite.
This shot for me is near perfection, perfection being achieved if you cropped away the bottom bit so that the shadow edge came into the corner, but what's 5% from perfection? :>))
Cheers and have a good weekend,

Hi Paul.
Çok derin bir çalışma.

Hi Paul,

I have no comments on your photo. I completely agree with Joey's critiques.

Perfect shot with very interesting notes about the Indian Summer.

Cheers and TFS BOB

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  • uleko Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 3396 W: 172 N: 3310] (10940)
  • [2008-09-29 11:42]

Hello Paul,
A very beautiful and unusual capture that really works and the rock face in the foreground brings nice depth into this composition. Beautiful colours and for a change a lovely blue sky in Britain too!!
As to the Indian Summer we call it 'Brittsommar', not referring to Britain(!)but to the namesday of Birgitta on the 7th October (my second name too!). If it's cold prior to this date and then turns fine it's Brittsommar weather!
TFS and cheers, Ulla

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