I have your point Niek, but do not accept your argument! The word "attack" you are using here seems inflated to me, and I can not find anything rude in my intention to show publicly how some members lies with ease....unnecessary! If you are feeling insulted, please do not read further! I think that this example shows the sad reality in Treknature! And the sad reality is that the point system has been abused to a degree when even a single point given can cause a war ...what a joke Niek!